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Собирался это опубликовать ещё позавчера, но тут началась заваруха и стало не до этого.

As Republicans in Congress prepare to formally contest the outcome of the 2020 presidential election on Wednesday, many of them have cited precedent for their effort: similar complaints lodged by Democrats in other presidential elections. After Republican victories in 2000, 2004 and 2016, for instance, Democrats in Congress used the formal counting of electoral votes as an opportunity to challenge election results.

Few objections were filed in accordance with the Electoral Count Act in the 20th century. But starting with George W. Bush’s victory in the 2000 presidential election, Democrats contested election results after every Republican win. In January 2001, Representative Alcee Hastings of Florida objected to counting his state’s electoral votes because of “overwhelming evidence of official misconduct, deliberate fraud, and an attempt to suppress voter turnout.” Representative Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas referred to the “millions of Americans who have been disenfranchised by Florida’s inaccurate vote count.” Representative Maxine Waters of California characterized Florida’s electoral votes as “fraudulent.”

Vice President Al Gore presided over the meeting in 2001. He overruled these objections because no senator joined them. Part of the reason they didn’t join, presumably, was that Mr. Gore conceded the election a month earlier. In January 2005, in the wake of Mr. Bush’s re-election, Democrats were more aggressive. Senator Barbara Boxer of California joined Representative Stephanie Tubbs Jones of Ohio to lodge a formal objection to Ohio’s electoral votes. The objection compelled Congress to spend two hours in debate, even though Mr. Bush won Ohio by more than 118,000 votes. Representative Barbara Lee of California claimed that “the Democratic process was thwarted.” Representative Jerrold Nadler of New York said that the right to vote was “stolen.” Ms. Waters objected too, dedicating her objection to the documentary filmmaker Michael Moore, whose 2004 movie “Fahrenheit 9/11” painted a dark (and at times factually debatable) picture of the Bush presidency.

The motion failed, but not before 31 members of the House, and Ms. Boxer in the Senate, voted to reject Ohio’s electoral votes — effectively voting to disenfranchise the people of Ohio in the Electoral College. In January 2017, after Donald Trump’s victory, Democrats in Congress once again challenged the election outcome. Representative Jim McGovern of Massachusetts cited “the confirmed and illegal activities engaged by the government of Russia.” Ms. Lee of California argued that Michigan’s electoral votes should be thrown out because “people are horrified by the overwhelming evidence of Russian interference in our elections.” She also cited “the malfunction of 87 voting machines.” There were objections against the votes in at least nine states. To his credit, Vice President Joe Biden rejected each objection on procedural grounds, stating that “there is no debate” and “it is over.”
Then as now, each member of Congress was within his or her rights to make an objection. But the objections were naïve at best, shameless at worst. Either way, the readiness of members of Congress to disenfranchise millions of Americans was disconcerting.

Date: 2021-01-09 06:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misha-b.livejournal.com
I don't think so. There are elections in many countries and they are ok. I think it is absurd that just a few states select the president of the whole country.

Date: 2021-01-09 07:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anhinga-anhinga.livejournal.com
In the democracies of relatively modest size, sure...

Whereas we are on one hand a third-world disorganized country with a horribly obsolete political system and an equally obsolete infrastructure, and at the same time the leading high-tech decaying Western imperialist empire battling for the world supremacy against fake-communist centralized ascending China.

It's a different ballgame; we are not France or Germany or UK.

(And one has to essentially abolish Federalism for such a project; this country really has more important priorities than to force-feed a single uniform order down 330 hundred million unwilling people's throats.)

Ты читал описание того, как на самом деле устроены американские выборы у Жюль Верна в "Вокруг Света за 80 дней" (1872)?

Нам просто напомнили, как оно было на самом деле, когда всё было, как "задумали отцы основатели":


ГЛАВА ДВАДЦАТЬ ПЯТАЯ,
в которой дается беглый обзор города Сан-Франциско в день митинга

По ветру развевались флажки и знамена. Со всех
сторон слышались выкрики:
- Да здравствует Кэмерфильд!
- Ура Мэндибой!
Это был какой-то митинг: так по крайней мере решил Фикс. Он поделился
своей догадкой с мистером Фоггом и добавил:
- Нам, пожалуй, лучше не ввязываться в эту давку, сударь, а то еще того
и гляди получишь удар кулаком!
- Вы правы, - ответил мистер Фогг, - и кулаки всегда остаются кулаками,
даже если дело идет о политике!

[...]

Но наш джентльмен не успел закончить фразу. Сзади него, на террасе,
раздались ужасающие вопли: "Гип-гип, ура! Да здравствует Мэндибой!." То
был новый отряд избирателей, который спешил на подмогу, обходя с фланга
сторонников Кэмерфильда.
Мистер Фогг, миссис Ауда и Фикс очутились меж двух огней. Отступать
было поздно. Поток людей, вооруженных кастетами и тростями с свинцовыми
набалдашниками, был неудержим. Филеаса Фогга и Фикса, защищавших молодую
женщину, сильно помяли. Как всегда флегматичный, мистер Фогг попробовал
было отбиваться с помощью того естественного оружия, которым природа
снабдила каждого англичанина, но тщетно. Здоровенный широкоплечий мужчина
с рыжей бородой и багровым лицом, как видно предводитель этой банды, занес
свои страшные кулаки над мистером Фоггом, и нашему джентльмену пришлось бы
худо, если бы не Фикс, который самоотверженно принял предназначенный для
другого удар. Огромная шишка тотчас же вскочила у него на голове под
шелковым цилиндром, который сразу превратился в берет.
- Янки! - процедил мистер Фогг, бросая на своего противника взгляд,
полный презрения.

[...]

Входя в вагон, мистер Фогг спросил у проводника:
- Послушайте, друг мой, что это сегодня происходило в Сан-Франциско?
- Митинг, сударь, - ответил проводник.
- Но мне показалось, что на улицах было необычайное оживление?
- Нет, то был обычный избирательный митинг.
- Вероятно, выбирали главнокомандующего? - спросил мистер Фогг.
- Нет, сударь, мирового судью.


Edited Date: 2021-01-09 07:03 am (UTC)

Date: 2021-01-09 07:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misha-b.livejournal.com

US has always been an unruly country, they did not even like the king very much :)

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