Второй закон Годвина
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ny_quantЛюбая дискуссия о прогрессе непременно доходит до обсуждения электрических автомобилей. Думаю, что до всемирной славы первооткрывательницы обратного карго культа мне не дотянуть, но пусть это будет мой скромный claim to fame.
Короче, в продолжение предыдущего поста, пара недавних ссылок про это самое. Если кратко, то дорого и бесполезно.
https://www.axios.com/electric-vehicles-automaker-investments-battery-costs-4243415a-305e-45b5-bddf-29a91011da77.html
http://brusselstimes.com/business/technology/15050/electric-vehicles-emit-more-co2-than-diesel-ones,-german-study-
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Date: 2019-04-27 05:24 pm (UTC)Why, I admitted the advantages of no oil changes and agree with fewer brake changes (not never - fewer).
And I gave you the list of the reasons I’m not buying (yet):
“I won’t buy Tesla because: a) charging time and potential wait if station is full b) major problems with fixing it if in accident c) unknown and unexplored safety risks when the car burns after the collision.”
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Date: 2019-04-27 11:23 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2019-05-01 01:15 am (UTC)No spare tire - days in dealership waiting for new tire an no loaner.
Hours on auto hold if you need any support, no one replies to emails, mdealership managers don’t care.
Days in dealership before anyone pays attention to the car.
Rattling and other noises they can’t fix.
Misrepresented range in lower temperatures and higher speeds.
Absence of features like ventilated seats / heated steering.
No smartphone integration - are you kidding me, Ilon Mask??
And you keep saying Tesla is the obvious choice...
I assume, in some distant future Tesla will be a good option. Now it simply the worst.
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Date: 2019-05-01 01:50 am (UTC)Personal experience:
1. I actually had a flat, they towed me (for free) and replaced the tire (not for free) in an hour. (Still having a spare would be nice).
2. > Hours on auto hold if you need any support,
Simply not true -- hold time is probably about 15 minutes. Still too long but nowhere close to hours. In fact they can call an ambulance if there is an accident, Tesla will transmit sensor readings.
3. >Days in dealership before anyone pays attention to the car. Rattling and other noises they can’t fix.
Not my (or colleagues who have the car) experience. I think early M3 cars had rattling noises and interior issues.
4. > Misrepresented range in lower temperatures and higher speeds.
There are two range estimates -- the battery remaining and the actual estimated range. The first one does not depend on the conditions (it is meant to indicate the remaining battery charge) and can be innacurate. The second is far more accurate and depends on conditions/driving style. When you are on a trip there is a fairly accurate estimate of the battery level at destination.
5. > Absence of features like ventilated seats / heated steering.
I would like to have a heated steering wheel. However I preheat (or pre-cool in the summer) the car from the app, so in most cases so it is not crucial.
6. No smartphone integration - are you kidding me, Ilon Mask??
What do you mean by that?? Smart phone integration is one of the best features of the car.
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Date: 2019-05-01 02:58 am (UTC)4 - and what this try range is? Is it 300 as advertised?
6 - the report on edmunds.com I refer to stated that Tesla didn’t have apple car play or android whatever.
Regardless, I’d definitely prefer to wait until those issues will be solved and only then buy.
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Date: 2019-05-01 03:47 am (UTC)Actually, now they update you on the status automatically through the app. But I have never had to leave the car in the shop so I don't know how well that works. You can schedule service through the app though, which is nice -- I did it when I had a minor issue with the charging port. You just choose a time on the app and leave a comment describing the problem. (In fact they offered me a loaner but I decided to wait in the shop)
> 4 - and what this try range is? Is it 300 as advertised?
In the summer I get around 300 miles at about 70-75mph with air conditioning. You go further at 60mph or less if you go 85. In the winter it depends. It could probably go down to around 220 miles if it is seriously cold and there is snow on the ground. The system will take that into account calculating the route to the destination.
> 6 - the report on edmunds.com I refer to stated that Tesla didn’t have apple car play or android whatever.
Oh, I see. Android/apple will never happen, I am afraid -- they want to control the screen. However there is a large variety of streaming podcasts, music and also a built-in internet browser. Right now you cannot watch youtube though. They will probably add some video capability in one of the future updates.
> Regardless, I’d definitely prefer to wait until those issues will be solved and only then buy.
Sure. I feel that there is an incredible amount of poor information online -- trying to provide some more accurate info.
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Date: 2019-05-01 09:38 pm (UTC)But could your positive experience be a result of your good luck?
I have seen reports on poor customer service enough times to conclude that it’s systematic. Why do you entertain a theory that you’re clearing poor information rather than theory that you’re just in luck not to face such disappointments?
Those rattles were reported on 2018 S models, not the first Teslas you have mentioned.
And it’s not that I’m such Tesla hater - it’s quite normal and expected for new models to have those problems. Typically, after some time either things become better and most of the problems are fixed or that line is dropped. I just want the car which has already went trough this process and don’t want to be a guiney pig tester for my money.
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Date: 2019-05-01 10:02 pm (UTC)> Why do you entertain a theory that you’re clearing poor information rather than theory that you’re just in luck not to face such disappointments?
Some information is objectively poor or incorrect (e.g., people misunderstand what range indicator does or don't realize that one can charge car at home).
As far as the customer experience is concerned, I am just one data point, of course. It is likely also to be geographically different. I've read that in Norway (a huge market for EVs) there have been a lot of issues with insufficient part supply.
> Those rattles were reported on 2018 S models, not the first Teslas you have mentioned.
I meant first model 3's from late 2017/early 2018. I don't know much about model S.
> And it’s not that I’m such Tesla hater - it’s quite normal and expected for new models to have those problems. Typically, after some time either things become better and most of the problems are fixed or that line is dropped. I just want the car which has already went trough this process and don’t want to be a guiney pig tester for my money.
That is very fair. Although I suspect there is always a bit of guinea pig angle with Tesla :) -- with their constant software updates. Personally I enjoy it as the car keeps getting better, but it is probably not for everyone.
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Date: 2019-05-01 10:47 pm (UTC)Regarding your statement that people sometimes are unaware of features:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oUzhBkCrf-c
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Date: 2019-05-02 02:33 am (UTC)