I felt damned lucky to have enough talent to exploit my cleavage

[ny_quant]

Claire Berlinski написала длинную но умную статью про #metoo . Некоторые положения очевидны всем и давно (например параллель с охотой на ведьм), но она также интересно обсуждает непременные признания покаяния сравнивая со сталинскими процессами 30-х. Или вот это:

The consequences will not just be awful for men. They will be awful for women.

Интересна также попытка рассмотреть ситуацию как случай моральной паники.

Maybe it doesn’t matter where the sources of the present moral panic lie. But could we at least get enough of a grip to realize that it is a moral panic—and knock it off? Women, I’m begging you: Please.

Comments

[tandem-bike.livejournal.com]

YES, but hten it has to be a two-way street. women use their advantages, men theirs.

do you recall a recent viral video, a woman going around manhattan ant touching young men's beards? briefly, but quite invasively and sexually. most are surprised, very few - pleasantly. it is an invasion. now imagine a man doing performance art like that? how many iterations of touching a woman's face would land them in the slammer?

feminists ( in a good sense) are asking for meritocracy-based equility and equal opportunity. feminists (in the bad sense) are precisely like this woman - wants her rights to behave inappropriately and use sex for work.

despicable.

[ny-quant.livejournal.com]

Of course, we use our advantages as well. Why do you think we are more successful?

No, I don't watch viral videos. I agree with the point you seem to be making: women can get away with a lot more than men. Maybe not a lot, but more. So?

I don't agree with your standard of appropriateness. I mean, legally it's the employer's right to impose what is or is not appropriate. But these standards come to workplace from the society at large, particularly mass media, social media and government. None of this is absolute.

I'm vehemently against anybody regulating the allowable amount of cleavage. Fuck that! Like in the fucking soviet union the authorities would decide the allowable length of my hair or how wide my pants could be. Fuck them all!

Women should be free to emphasize their attractive bodies within very wide range. Mini skirts are not in fashion right now but heels, tight pants and push-up bras are still used by some, and good for them!

Ms. Berlinski doesn't use sex for work. She uses her sexuality. Surely you understand the difference.

[tandem-bike.livejournal.com]

i would argue that it is the same old same old, Quant. sexuality and sex are as close as cleavage and vagina.

[ny-quant.livejournal.com]

Pretty far, that is.

[tandem-bike.livejournal.com]

for you. don't model all men on yourself. ;-)

[ny-quant.livejournal.com]

Man's mind travels from cleavage to vagina very quickly. I'm probably worse than most in this respect. And I did my fair share trying to find my way from the former to the latter. The experience is that the way is long and often impossible except in the rare cases when I was the intended target.

But you didn't mean men. You were implying that a woman displaying sexuality is an easy lay. Certainly there are women like that, too. (I suspect it very much varies with social class.) But most, in my limited by my social class experience, are not.

[tandem-bike.livejournal.com]

no. i am implying that a woman using sexuality to get ahead in the game will likely use sex to get ahead in the game. seen that. not done that. but seen that.

[ny-quant.livejournal.com]

Whatever you saw doesn't give you any right to generalize.

[tandem-bike.livejournal.com]

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