Obamacare “repeal”

[ny_quant]

А где-нибудь в ЖЖ уже обсуждают какой это прекрасный план и как Трамп быстро выполнит очередное предвыборное обещание? Кстати, уважуха консерваторам которые против.

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[tandem-bike.livejournal.com]

i think that people with REAL NEED for services - the disabled, cancer patients, etc, etc - will continue to get maximal care. with some reductions i already accepted - say a kid had a nurse come for a hime visit 4 times a week, now one time....

the reductions for "poor people" will not apply to "really ill poor people".

[nefedor.livejournal.com]

I have something with my shoulder - need to see orthopedist. I'll survive without it, so technically I'm not in real need, but the quality of life is definitely lower if I can't lift a tea pot full of water without pain. That is kind of sad for those who unlike me can't pay for visit and most importantly, needed treatment.

So while I generally agree with the safety net concept for the extreme cases, I'd be careful about details - what exactly such net covers.

[tandem-bike.livejournal.com]

there are charity clinics, free clinics, resident clinics fro the indigent, etc etc etc.

before you summon up so much compassion for those shoulders ;-) - think of HOW these people show up in charity care. often wearing thousands of dollars in bling. my colleague wellnessusa says she saw it.. a lot. and i see it too.

no papa Karlo who sells his jacket to be seen by a doctor. nopes. more lika Papa Karlo grudgingly agreeing to buy less coke this week so he can send his wife to a GYN clinic for $200.

[nefedor.livejournal.com]

Shoulders don't attract your mercy, I get it ;-)

I believe you. But the concern is that by profiling those who show up to those clinics we aren't getting correct profile of those who need help (with their shoulders). So the case studying actual patients there could be misleading somewhat.

[tandem-bike.livejournal.com]

anecdotal profiling can be misleading. or/and racist.

the point is not the bling and the diamonds in the teeth of those using charity care.

we will never get a "correct profile" unless people show up.

an aching shoulder usually .. stops aching, unless it is like a rotator cuff tear, for example. there are lots of futile, unnecessary visits by patients of all sorts to all sorts of clinics. so levels of care need to be tiered in a way that serious clients are not discarded, and bogus customers - LOTS of them seekigng disability - are filtered.

[nefedor.livejournal.com]

Serious and unnecessary clients - is that division a priori or a posterior?

Off topic: how data profiling can be racist is a mystery to me...

[tandem-bike.livejournal.com]

it can serve racist purposes. if your visibly well-dressed clients who park their huge mercedes SUVs . in front of a clinic for indigents - that gives a skewed view of the poor.

[nefedor.livejournal.com]

Still don't see it. Than can be biased - for sure, but how is that racist?

And the honest data collecting itself - how can it be characterized by usages? It's a problem of who is using, not the objective data collectors.

[tandem-bike.livejournal.com]

racism is only one form of a bias, dear :-)

[nefedor.livejournal.com]

Warning: I just had a several days long discussion on the topic of racism so I come prepared :)
According to its definition, racism isn't a bias at all, it's a system of views with certain typical characteristics like stating superiority in something based on racial traits.
In simple words, to be racist, researcher must believe that certain race is superior and behave accordingly. Just sampling bias doesn't fit here (or I don't see how it fits).

[tandem-bike.livejournal.com]

that is ONE of definitions of racism. there is a more casual one - a racist statement is one that pins certain characteristics, values, or behaviour as typical for a particular race :-)

[nefedor.livejournal.com]

I read a book on racism which is trying to categorize different definitions of it :)
Your definition shares the same core: statement of race-specific traits. This is common for all definitions, differences are in small details specific to considered areas of application. So, all the same.

[tandem-bike.livejournal.com]

so, profiling may be seen as actually based on race-specific traits at times. the victims feel it htis way.

[nefedor.livejournal.com]

And here is the essence of the issue: if someone feels that something is racist, it doesn't make the cause of his/her feeling to be actually racist.
An example is easy to find. The reason I have spent time debating the racism is... Trump, of course. A lot of people call him a racist just because they are offended by him. But it doesn't make him a racist, I haven't seen a single racist statement of his that would clearly fit the definition (any of them). And there were people trying to find such and show to me. They couldn't.

[tandem-bike.livejournal.com]

those who say he is a racist are usually idiots not worth your time. those who accuse him of misogyny.... may be right, but it is not a terrible sin.

[nefedor.livejournal.com]

I managed to find a number of non-idiots. (Yes, it wasn't easy). In the end they agreed that their feelings don't fit the definition.

[tandem-bike.livejournal.com]

what a patient man you are. i would just explode with a bouquet of xujs.

[nefedor.livejournal.com]

Sometimes I barely hold myself from doing the same. And there are cases when this hold breaks... :)

[ny-quant.livejournal.com]

You blew your top off on Яков twice on my memory although you didn't use foul language.

[tandem-bike.livejournal.com]

foul language is a signal to stop all communication. that's all it is. a flare.

i love it.

[ny-quant.livejournal.com]

Often it's a signal that the opponent got under your skin. Which is why I love it.

[tandem-bike.livejournal.com]

oh no. it is a sign that the opponent produced a smelly bowel movement. that's all. and you can say i have a sensitive nose.

[ny-quant.livejournal.com]

Say it ain't so! ;)