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А где-нибудь в ЖЖ уже обсуждают какой это прекрасный план и как Трамп быстро выполнит очередное предвыборное обещание? Кстати, уважуха консерваторам которые против.

Date: 2017-03-11 12:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tandem-bike.livejournal.com
racism is only one form of a bias, dear :-)

Date: 2017-03-14 02:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nefedor.livejournal.com
Warning: I just had a several days long discussion on the topic of racism so I come prepared :)
According to its definition, racism isn't a bias at all, it's a system of views with certain typical characteristics like stating superiority in something based on racial traits.
In simple words, to be racist, researcher must believe that certain race is superior and behave accordingly. Just sampling bias doesn't fit here (or I don't see how it fits).

Date: 2017-03-14 04:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tandem-bike.livejournal.com
that is ONE of definitions of racism. there is a more casual one - a racist statement is one that pins certain characteristics, values, or behaviour as typical for a particular race :-)

Date: 2017-03-14 05:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nefedor.livejournal.com
I read a book on racism which is trying to categorize different definitions of it :)
Your definition shares the same core: statement of race-specific traits. This is common for all definitions, differences are in small details specific to considered areas of application. So, all the same.

Date: 2017-03-14 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tandem-bike.livejournal.com
so, profiling may be seen as actually based on race-specific traits at times. the victims feel it htis way.

Date: 2017-03-14 05:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nefedor.livejournal.com
And here is the essence of the issue: if someone feels that something is racist, it doesn't make the cause of his/her feeling to be actually racist.
An example is easy to find. The reason I have spent time debating the racism is... Trump, of course. A lot of people call him a racist just because they are offended by him. But it doesn't make him a racist, I haven't seen a single racist statement of his that would clearly fit the definition (any of them). And there were people trying to find such and show to me. They couldn't.

Date: 2017-03-14 05:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tandem-bike.livejournal.com
those who say he is a racist are usually idiots not worth your time. those who accuse him of misogyny.... may be right, but it is not a terrible sin.

Date: 2017-03-14 05:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nefedor.livejournal.com
I managed to find a number of non-idiots. (Yes, it wasn't easy). In the end they agreed that their feelings don't fit the definition.

Date: 2017-03-14 05:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tandem-bike.livejournal.com
what a patient man you are. i would just explode with a bouquet of xujs.

Date: 2017-03-14 06:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nefedor.livejournal.com
Sometimes I barely hold myself from doing the same. And there are cases when this hold breaks... :)

Date: 2017-03-14 07:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ny-quant.livejournal.com
You blew your top off on Яков twice on my memory although you didn't use foul language.

Date: 2017-03-14 07:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tandem-bike.livejournal.com
foul language is a signal to stop all communication. that's all it is. a flare.

i love it.

Date: 2017-03-14 07:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ny-quant.livejournal.com
Often it's a signal that the opponent got under your skin. Which is why I love it.

Date: 2017-03-14 07:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tandem-bike.livejournal.com
oh no. it is a sign that the opponent produced a smelly bowel movement. that's all. and you can say i have a sensitive nose.

Date: 2017-03-14 07:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ny-quant.livejournal.com
Say it ain't so! ;)

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