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CLAIM: Greta Thunberg recently deleted a tweet she posted in 2018 in which she said that the world will end in 2023.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: Missing context. While Thunberg did delete a 2018 tweet about the urgency of addressing climate change, she did not say the world would end in 2023. Her tweet included a quote from an article that said an influential scientist warned climate change “will wipe out all humanity” unless fossil fuel use was ended “over the next five years.” Further complicating the issue, that article incorrectly summarized the scientist’s speech. He never made such comments.

...Thunberg never said the world was set to end in 2023. The young activist was quoting an article that was paraphrasing a speech by a Harvard University professor of atmospheric chemistry. The scientist said the world had limited time to act to reverse the disappearance of floating ice volume in the Arctic or there would be drastic consequences, not that the world would end in five years.

The article Thunberg was quoting has since been deleted, but it was published by the site Grit Post in February 2018 with the headline: “Top Climate Scientist: Humans Will Go Extinct if We Don’t Fix Climate Change by 2023,” according to an archived version of the web page. The first line of the story stated: “A top climate scientist is warning that climate change will wipe out all of humanity unless we stop using fossil fuels over the next five years.”

Forbes quoted Anderson as saying: “The chance that there will be any permanent ice left in the Arctic after 2022 is essentially zero.”


У снопса есть скриншот того твита и сходный анализ.

Date: 2023-03-21 07:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vsopvs.livejournal.com
вот мне нравится как они ее ласково называют The young activist

Date: 2023-03-22 07:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moneo.livejournal.com
У кого Грета, у кого Кайл (Риттенхаус). Каждому своя порода молодых активистов. Интересный, кстати, вопрос, кто из них более ебанутый.

Date: 2023-03-22 07:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ny-quant.livejournal.com

Что хуже, шизофрения или паранойя?

Date: 2023-03-21 07:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] i-mko.livejournal.com
Прочитав это, я спросил у ясеня у chatgpt, а напиши мне стишок с рифмой Грета - планета, котлета - сигарета. "Легко" ответил chatgpt:
Грета кричит, что планета в опасности,
Греется земля, как котлета на сковородке,
Бездействовать нельзя, иначе грядет катастрофа,
Как от сигареты - непоправимый ущерб на долгие года.

Date: 2023-03-21 07:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ny-quant.livejournal.com
Два с минусом

Date: 2023-03-21 07:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] i-mko.livejournal.com
Наверное, это перевод с китайского.

Date: 2023-03-21 07:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ammosov.livejournal.com
А вы ждали, что MSM и Snopes признают что святая Грета неправа?

Date: 2023-03-21 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_moss/

Так имелось в виду "если не откажемся от fossil fuels в течение 5 лет, то человечество уничтожится (в перспективе)" или "человечество уничтожится через 5 лет, если не откажемся от fossil fuels"?

Date: 2023-03-21 08:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ny-quant.livejournal.com
> если не откажемся от fossil fuels в течение 5 лет, то человечество уничтожится (в перспективе)

Вот же что она имела в виду!

BTW, I heard snopes is hiring! ;)

Date: 2023-03-21 08:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_moss/

Фактчекист должен иметь холодную фактголову, чистые фактруки и горячее фактсердце!

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Date: 2023-03-22 09:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shufel.livejournal.com

Это ложная дихотомия. Там не имелось в виду ничего конкретного. Это просто "АААА! Вы отняли у меня детство! Сделайте мне немедленно безопасно и красиво!" другими словами.

Date: 2023-03-21 11:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misha-b.livejournal.com
I think it is clear she did not claim the world would end in five years. The world would end _if_ we do not stop using fossil fuel in five years.

The last claim is obviously correct.

Date: 2023-03-22 12:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anhinga-anhinga.livejournal.com
> The world would end _if_ we do not stop using fossil fuel in five years.

The last claim is obviously correct.


This sounds really weird, unless your logic is something approximately like "because we have not ended the use of fossil fuels, we have enough electricity to develop strong AI, and strong AI will end the world".

That would be somewhat plausible...

Other than that though, "obviously correct" sounds really weird...

Date: 2023-03-22 12:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misha-b.livejournal.com

The logic is much simpler. Our world would one day end (whether from AI or something else). Therefore if we do not stop using fossil fuels it would end. If we do, it would still end ;)

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Date: 2023-03-22 12:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] polkovnik-isaev.livejournal.com

How dare they?

Date: 2023-03-22 01:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yakov-a-jerkov.livejournal.com
Wait, you don't think "Greta Thunberg recently deleted a tweet she posted in 2018 in which she said that the world will end in 2023" is a misrepresentation of the tweet that she deleted?

Date: 2023-03-22 02:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ny-quant.livejournal.com
Her tweet could have been interpreted either way. I believe she's dumb enough to have implied that the world will end in 2023. Surely she's dumb enough to misunderstand what the professor was saying.

Date: 2023-03-22 09:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yakov-a-jerkov.livejournal.com
Regardless of how you interpret the claim made by "a top climate scientist", that is clearly not Thunberg's claim. The tweet contains a quote from an article and a link.

I don't see anything remotely controversial in saying that "Greta Thunberg recently deleted a tweet she posted in 2018 in which she said that the world will end in 2023" is a false statement.

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Date: 2023-03-22 10:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moneo.livejournal.com
А что не так-то? Цитату чувака переврали, Грета перевранную цитату перепостила, ее перепост опять переврали. Business as usual.

Date: 2023-03-22 02:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ny-quant.livejournal.com
А кто переврал-то? Пушкин?

Date: 2023-03-22 02:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moneo.livejournal.com
Цитату ученого переврала Grit Post (чем бы она не была). Оттуда ее взяла Грета. Цитату Греты переврали консервативные блогеры.

Date: 2023-03-22 02:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oldkettle.livejournal.com
Ну да, ну да. Popular figure links to total BS in support of her stupid crusade but there is nothing to see there, she's done nothing wrong. Business as usual.

Date: 2023-03-22 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moneo.livejournal.com
> links to total BS

А сколько ей лет было тогда, 15?

> in support of her stupid crusade

Кто тебя обманул, что stupid?

> there is nothing to see there

Само по себе это никто не обсуждал, пока ты не ворвался. Вопрос поставлен о качестве фактчека.

> she's done nothing wrong

Насынг - это ты передёрнул, по своему обыкновению. Но есть разница между искренним заблуждением и намеренным обманом.

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Date: 2023-03-22 06:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moneo.livejournal.com
Вообще, у вас в последнее время постоянно происходит, с моей точки зрения, борьба с очень странным strawman: что, мол, условно левые медиа парят на крыльях истины над ужасами правого вранья. И в это якобы верят люди условно левых взглядов. А вы их заблуждение развеиваете.

На самом деле, любому вменяемому человеку понятно, что с качеством СМИ беда бедовая, несчастную сову на глобус натягивают все и непрерывно. Но с другой стороны, любому вменяемому человеку понятно и то, что правые медиа в этом деле преуспели значительно сильнее. Вот взять, хотя бы, иск Доминион к фоксику - ну совсем же не видят берегов.

Date: 2023-03-22 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ny-quant.livejournal.com

Я просто выплёскиваю своё раздражение. Никаких намерений кому-то что-то объяснить в таких постах у меня нет.

Сравнивать левые СМИ с правыми я не копенгаген, главным образом ввиду практически полного отсутствия последних.

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