Date: 2020-04-30 04:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexanderr.livejournal.com
covid-19 data on nyc.gov shows very clearly that this is over.
at least in NYC. cases, hospitalizations, deaths, everything is back
to mid-March levels, i.e. low

Date: 2020-04-30 01:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ny-quant.livejournal.com
To the extent that it is "over", it is so largely due to the measures taken. As opposed to the regular flu that goes away on its own.

Date: 2020-04-30 02:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexanderr.livejournal.com
officially 25% of NYC residents were exposed. that's based on random testing, looking for antibodies.
so with measures we get 25%. without measures we get 100%. was it worth it?
more importantly, do we need to continue with the measures? what would be the point of that?
unofficially, I think the real number is closer to 50%. since they tested only active adults,
no children, but included children in the total population. plus, the tests are not that accurate yet.

Date: 2020-04-30 03:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ny-quant.livejournal.com
Ответы на вопросы зависят от выбора метрики оценки результатов. Каковы допустимые экономические потери за одну спасенную жизнь?

Date: 2020-04-30 09:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexanderr.livejournal.com
we could ask the same question differently: ~500 people losing jobs for ~1 person who dies, that is what we have currently. how many were saved and for how long, we'll never know. but record unemployment will destroy many lives, we know that very well. a great number of people who lost jobs will die, that one is easy to predict. based on historical data, if US unemployment hits 32% that would increase the death toll by 77,000. just as a direct result of losing the job. same order of magnitude as total virus deaths. so, it is not really clear if lives are going to be saved or lost

Date: 2020-04-30 09:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ny-quant.livejournal.com
Это всё возможно, но не обязательно. Все зависит от того насколько быстро люди вернутся на работу. Пока что многие безработные получают намного больше чем они зарабатывали. в худшем случае, действительно будет неясно сохранили мы жизни или потеряли.

Date: 2020-05-01 01:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexanderr.livejournal.com
если с бизнесов снять liability в смысле вируса, то в принципе вернуться можно было бы довольно быстро.

Date: 2020-05-01 02:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ny-quant.livejournal.com
Некоторые штаты (и страны) уже открываются. Посмотрим что из этого выйдет.

Date: 2020-05-01 09:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexanderr.livejournal.com
на Швецию можно давно смотреть. Швеция особенно и не закрывалась. на англ TV было очень хорошее интервью с их главным эпидемиологом. и это интервью до сих пор не убрали с youtube'а даже, несмотря на очень крамольные мысли

Date: 2020-05-01 09:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ny-quant.livejournal.com
Я как раз недавно смотрел на Швецию и там смертность как-то особенно не падала.

Date: 2020-05-02 01:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexanderr.livejournal.com
а как там у них с безработицей и другими экономическими показателями?

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