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Симптоматично, что стоило Трампу предложить что-то разумное как его немедленно обвинили в расизме. Это я про Immigration bill, если кто не понял.

Date: 2017-08-05 02:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nefedor.livejournal.com

Но Яков же скажет что это отдельные перегибы на местах..

Date: 2017-08-05 10:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stumari.livejournal.com
наверное, для внутреннего пользования они уже давно так учили,
я узнал об этом пару лет назад, когда какой-то универ это у себя на сайте опубликовал и поднялся шум справа, с сайта универа определение убрали,
я-то думал, вот, одумались, но оказывается, теперь оно уже официально повсеместно,
мой сын, только начавший High school, уже с этим сталкивался (правда, в соц.сетях, а не от учителей, но, кажется, от одноклассников тоже)

Date: 2017-08-07 08:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tandem-bike.livejournal.com

ну хоть яков и дерьмо и срань подлая, я ТОЖЕ скажу что это таки перегибы и таки на местах.

Date: 2017-08-12 01:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nefedor.livejournal.com
У меня нет под рукой статистики, но я придерживаюсь точки зрения, что это скорее система.
Вы не видели такой фильм IndoctrinateU?

Date: 2017-08-12 02:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tandem-bike.livejournal.com
no. but i spent decades in the ivory tower. and i don't see teh problem as pervasive or toxic.

Date: 2017-08-12 02:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nefedor.livejournal.com
And I have friends in Columbia, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Berkley who see huge extra-toxic problems. And the researchers constantly mentioning ultra-left common denominator in most colleges. They are all lairs?

Date: 2017-08-12 02:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tandem-bike.livejournal.com
i went to two of those you mention. ;-)

no, i don't think they are liars, but i believe there is a great exaggeration of the Problem.

Date: 2017-08-12 02:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nefedor.livejournal.com
You're the first from whom I hear that.
And judging by how left wing behaves under Trump I'd doubt that a lot.

Date: 2017-08-12 11:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tandem-bike.livejournal.com
i have a hard time believing things i had not witnessed. i have been in academia for a very long time, both as an "eternal student", or "perpetual student" rather, then as faculty. perhaps i am at a low level where this "ulltra-left common denominator" simply evades me.

i don't think your friends are liars. i don't think my blog friends in the last post are liars. i don't think quant is a liar.

but i DO think they are biased and subjective, and exaggerating the importance of "left leaning", and the impact of it on their workplace.

the examples Quant gave me of preferential treatment of women in his company - do not hold water. but i accept them as HIS EXPERIENCE, with observer's bias. i can come up ( i am old, remember) with plenty of stories about women in IT being treated either deservingly - or, worse, dismissively. such as my bias.

i have not seen the championing of inferior professional women over men. of course, in medicine the path of advancement is very different than in IT, but still. in science - i am a zero as a scientist, but adjacent enough to peek into that world - in science, there is some interesting evidence that there is continued gender discrimination at the level of "corner office", pay and promotion. and the victims of these mild but consistent discrepancies are - women.


i can accept that maybe that MIT professor that cried discrimination a few years back is actually not as good as her male colleagues who earn more and have better deals with the U. i can accept that Google gender pay gap is due to women being less advanced in their engineering jobs. i can accept all this if i am SHOWN THE EVIDENCE. but so far there is little but claims of .. men, to that effect.

Date: 2017-08-12 11:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tandem-bike.livejournal.com
can you PLEASE sum up? i only watch videos when user Amigofriend posts them. otherwise i am video-phobic.

Date: 2017-08-12 08:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nefedor.livejournal.com
Там просто множество примеров разных людей из разных мест. Ну и попытки сказать, что это система, а не независимые случайные события..

Date: 2017-08-12 09:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tandem-bike.livejournal.com
maybe i should break my resistance and watch it. hold on.

Date: 2017-08-12 09:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tandem-bike.livejournal.com
posmotrela kuski. NOT IMPRESSED>
yes, unpleasant shit - you just IGNORE IT>
if someone asks you to explain how a class on succulents promotes diversity - say it DOES NOT> not relevant. period...

Date: 2017-08-12 09:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nefedor.livejournal.com
>> say it DOES NOT

And... yes, you're fired!

>> you just IGNORE IT

Sometimes you can, sometimes you can't.

Date: 2017-08-12 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tandem-bike.livejournal.com
but.. i can. i look at this stuff as noise. it does not influence hiring/fiiring/promotion in medicine!

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