Почему я не голосую за демократов
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ny_quantПришел к власти хороший добрый дедушка Байден, и давай подписывать executive orders as if there is no tomorrow. Из 10 самых важных, которые CNN выделила жирным шрифтом, я поддерживаю один, не имею мнения по одному, не в курсе дела по двум, и против шести. Представляю как рады товарищи справа.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/22/politics/joe-biden-executive-orders-first-week/index.html
Понятно, что Трамп всё равно хуже, но это отдельно.
А кстати, ходят слухи что Тамп хочет создать свою партию. Вот это было бы здорово. Тогда бы, может быть, к оставшимся умеренным республиканцам присоединились бы умеренные демократы и образовали бы нечто разумное. Я знаю, что размечтался.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/22/politics/joe-biden-executive-orders-first-week/index.html
Понятно, что Трамп всё равно хуже, но это отдельно.
А кстати, ходят слухи что Тамп хочет создать свою партию. Вот это было бы здорово. Тогда бы, может быть, к оставшимся умеренным республиканцам присоединились бы умеренные демократы и образовали бы нечто разумное. Я знаю, что размечтался.
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Date: 2021-01-22 10:34 pm (UTC)Strange, I thought it was more or less a constitutional requirement. At least that is how it has been done for a very long time.
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Date: 2021-01-22 11:54 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2021-01-23 01:26 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2021-01-23 01:40 am (UTC)This is the exact text, actually:
Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.
https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/full-text
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Date: 2021-01-23 02:48 am (UTC)Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed.
So yes, it quite explicit in the Constitution.
I suspect, only Trump would mess with something like that, given that it is in the Constitution and its historical connection to slavery.
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Date: 2021-01-23 05:02 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2021-01-23 06:12 pm (UTC)I presume it would get overturned in the SC in any case, the language of the 14th Amendment is unambiguous.
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Date: 2021-01-23 10:24 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2021-01-23 11:09 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2021-01-24 01:21 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2021-01-24 05:06 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2021-01-24 01:20 am (UTC)More to the heart of the matter, I just don't see it that way. Nobody _represents_ the interest of non-citizens, legal or illegal, their number simply go toward the count. Just like the slaves who counted for 3/5 were obviously not represented in the Congress. The owners were.
I actually do not understand why legal residents who are paying taxes cannot vote at least in local/state elections. That is taxation without representation.
As far as the illegal residents are concerned, many of them pay taxes as well: IRS estimates that about 6 million unauthorized immigrants file individual income tax returns each year(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_United_States#Relative_contribution_by_income_tax_bracket)
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Date: 2021-01-24 05:14 am (UTC)I don't see why anyone needs to represent interests of illegals in the legislature. I do agree about legal non-citizens though.
Interesting about 6 million unauthorized immigrants filing individual income tax returns each year. I wonder why they would do that. My best guess is to get some money from the gov-t.
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Date: 2021-01-24 06:43 pm (UTC)> I don't see why anyone needs to represent interests of illegals in the legislature. I do agree about legal non-citizens though.
I agree that there is no intrinsic reason why people who are in the country illegally have to be represented in legislature. However, simply counting them is not representation and was never intended as such.
For those legally in the country, I would do something quite simple -- if you pay taxes for 3 years, you can vote in local/state elections, after 5 years you can vote in federal elections as well (the last may be anticonstitutional, unfortunately, I am not sure, but the first can definitely be done easily).
> Interesting about 6 million unauthorized immigrants filing individual income tax returns each year. I wonder why they would do that. My best guess is to get some money from the gov-t.
I can see a lot of good reasons they might want to pay taxes. For example if you overstayed a student or work visa,
you are technically in the country illegally but you definitely would not want to commit a federal crime by tax avoidance. A lot of the dreamers have social security numbers and are continuing to pay taxes with the hope of getting citizenship one day. And so on.
(I did not do any digging in the data, it is an interesting question but no time now, so it is all speculation).
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Date: 2021-01-22 11:58 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2021-01-25 05:26 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2021-01-25 09:12 pm (UTC)