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Date: 2020-05-21 11:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aka-human.livejournal.com
"Devastating piece" ;-)

Date: 2020-05-21 11:17 pm (UTC)
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Довольно логично, что "lockdown", в отличие от просто социального дистанцирования, увеличивает время совместного активного пребывания лиц в группе риска (с лицами, могущими оказаться бессимптомными носителями) в тех местах, где меры социального дистанцирования не соблюдаются, сиречь в приватных резиденциях - и, соответственно, увеличивает R0.

Date: 2020-05-22 01:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misha-b.livejournal.com

I am not sure what the argument is exactly. It is not like everyone instantly went to a crowded club after the lockdown. We probably have to wait for a few weeks to see any effects.

And this makes no sense at all: “This means that the pandemic and COVID-19 likely have its own dynamics unrelated to often inconsistent lockdown measures that were being implemented..” Perhaps you can argue that social distancing/masks without lockdown would have similar effect, but clearly those things affect the virus spread.

Date: 2020-05-22 05:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stumari.livejournal.com
черт его знает, что это значит, вплоне возможно, что ничего, просто garbage in - garbage out

Date: 2020-05-22 02:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ny-quant.livejournal.com
Непохоже: https://ny-quant.livejournal.com/802092.html

Date: 2020-05-22 02:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ny-quant.livejournal.com
// Perhaps you can argue that social distancing/masks without lockdown would have similar effect

Indeed I would.

Date: 2020-05-22 02:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misha-b.livejournal.com
That's a reasonable argument, I don't think we have enough information to judge. I think we will see soon whether those measures are effective.

However, to say that lockdowns make epidemics worse is IMHO absurd.

Date: 2020-05-22 02:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ny-quant.livejournal.com
Humor is fine. But humor w/o substance is not effective.

Либералам не нравятся такие результаты. Они инстинктивно хотят чтобы все ходили строем. Но возразить по существу им нечего. Остаётся юмор.

Date: 2020-05-22 02:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ny-quant.livejournal.com
// to say that lockdowns make epidemics worse is IMHO absurd.

I don't think he says that.

Date: 2020-05-22 03:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misha-b.livejournal.com

My understanding is that he claims that the epidemic has its own dynamics and lockdowns do not help to slow it down. I find this absurd, since we know the physical mechanism of viral spread and lockdowns clearly make it more difficult for the virus to propagate. Am I misinterpreting what he is saying?

Date: 2020-05-22 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ny-quant.livejournal.com
// My understanding is that he claims that the epidemic has its own dynamics

yes

// and lockdowns do not help to slow it down

no, only the excessive portion doesn't help
Edited Date: 2020-05-22 03:52 pm (UTC)

Date: 2020-05-22 04:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stumari.livejournal.com
конечно, но я не либерал, и просьба показать всю статью, с данными и методами их обработки, а не только картинку - вплоне резонная просьба

Date: 2020-05-22 05:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ny-quant.livejournal.com
Я бы с удовльствием, но я и сам довольствуюсь выжимками, которые делают другие люди. В норме я бы не стал, но этот дядя заработал себе в моих глазах достаточную репутацию, чтобы относиться к его работе серьёзно, даже если доступны только окончательные выводы, а не весь анализ.

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