Obamacare “repeal”

[ny_quant]

А где-нибудь в ЖЖ уже обсуждают какой это прекрасный план и как Трамп быстро выполнит очередное предвыборное обещание? Кстати, уважуха консерваторам которые против.

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ECCO

[tandem-bike.livejournal.com]

Still, not being able to see a doctor when you are not feeling well or having pain can be very stressful even if those pains later go away on their own. """"""""

this is worth posting as a separate entry. i will.

it is a perfect example of 1. idiocy, and 2. entitlement, and 3. an important therapeutic effect which is related to placebo but is beyond it.

so e=despite 1. and 2., where mishab reveals himself again, he is eerily right if you consider 3. more later.

mishab, thank you for the discussion, i no longer am as involved in medical student teaching, but your opinions are priceless and worth preserving for future lectures - as the view of the electorate ( not dzhigurda, but close).

meaning - most of the time, you are maddeningly stupid. but once in a while you strike a note that totally defeats the opponent. that's what you had done with this little comment.

Re: ECCO

[misha-b.livejournal.com]

Perhaps you should first decide on whether it is a "perfect example of idiocy" or an "important therapeutic effect".

But I forget, they don't teach logic in medical schools. So it's ok.

Re: ECCO

[tandem-bike.livejournal.com]

i don't think you knlw what THEY do teach or do not teach.

it is actually both - an idiocy and an important therapeutic effect. can happen.

your condescension does not work - my PHD in applied math can probably fight yours and win.

Re: ECCO

[misha-b.livejournal.com]

This is grand idea, let's have a Ph.D. fight! I love it!

What are the rules and the stakes?

Re: ECCO

[tandem-bike.livejournal.com]

first, you go play with your diploma.

but seriously, do't get all uppity on me, the "you silly doctor" thing is quite silly. i am possibly ( conceivably, ahem) smarter and better educated than you are - you don't know, mishab. so don[t give me 'you little idiot don[t know logic 'cause they did not teach that in medschool". makes you look even more idiotic and out of arguments. yeps.

Re: ECCO

[misha-b.livejournal.com]

But as an intelligent person you surely should also consider the possibility that the opposite is true, and that you are less smart and less educated than me?

Re: ECCO

[tandem-bike.livejournal.com]

it is also possible. but your comments reveal both ignorance and arrogance. of course, your edication and inteligence can be piecewise continuous so to speak. with huge holes in them that you fill with :intuitive: opinions that range from naive to idiotic to just laughable, like this thing about "logic". yes, what you sputtered out is both idiotic and touchingly true - you need hand-holding, and you are reassured by the phantom presence of doctor ajbolit in your life.

Re: ECCO

[misha-b.livejournal.com]

My education and intelligence are piece-wise continuous! So true, this comment made my day, really. It is also very true for all of us.

Still, my point stands. You are are attributing naivite and idiocy to my comments without any real effort or interest in understanding what I have in mind. You make an elementary logical error, assuming that everything I say must apply directly and immediately to myself, even when discussing broad issues. You continue to build some model of me, a person existing only in your imagination, needing "hand-holding" who is reassured by the "phantom presence of doctor ajbolit" in my life.

If that is not arrogance, I don't know what it.

Re: ECCO

[tandem-bike.livejournal.com]

i am not interested in you and your persona at all. i am judging you on what you are saying - which is arrogant and ignorant, no matter who you are in life. i truly don't care. you have exposed yourself here enough.

Re: ECCO

[misha-b.livejournal.com]

Well, it is you who constructed models of my internal life (which you profess to be totally indifferent to) and brought up doctor ajbolit.

In any case, lets us part at this cheerful note, fully convinced of each other's arrogance. If anything, it was an amusing conversation :)

Re: ECCO

[tandem-bike.livejournal.com]

it was a waste of time.

Re: ECCO

[misha-b.livejournal.com]

I tolerated your abuse while it continued to amuse.

But you are right, a total waste of time, of course.

Re: ECCO

[tandem-bike.livejournal.com]

you know, on one hand i am tired of you and ready to use bad language, i have a low threshold for that - on the other hand, it is possible that i misinterpreted you and turned my hearing off, seeing a stupid leftie ignoramus with trivial and misguided ideas and lack of both education and insight.

well, prove me wrong, then. i am willing to start over.

what were you trying to tell me, exactly. i answered to what i THOUGHT you were trying to tell me. i had two independent "readers" go through our threads, neither are flatterers, and both basically said you are an idiot.

i am tempted to agree, but what if you are not? what if this discussion somehow painted you as an idiot that you are not?

i gave you and Q. a fair "4 scenarios for the uninsured". all of these have access to medical care, and all of these are taken care of fully under the current imperfect system, except for group 3, the people with nonthreatening chronic diseases that may teeter on the verge of 4. but not quite become catastrophic. these are the people whom the system fails - a relatively small group, i say confidently, as most of them either get insurance or transition to 4, where it is given to them.

so let's stat from you r initial comment about how care is "unavailable to all here" compared to Canada.

that is - false. i hope i had shown it to you and Q. medical care is available and accessible. for group 3., it may be less affordable than for the others - 1, who don't need it 2, who get it, and 4, who tie up 30% of resources.

so what are we arguing about, other than whose PhD is Phdier?

Re: ECCO

[ny-quant.livejournal.com]

Fur what it's worth, I know Misha for many years and while we often disagree he's most certainly not an idiot.

I know you're not an idiot either (there are other reasons why you jump to ring conclusions) but I'd question your independent "readers". Probably they are.

Re: ECCO

[tandem-bike.livejournal.com]

i doubt it this is a typical 'leftie who is sure of his statement but has no ground' discourse. remember, it all started with "canada" and "access to care". your smart friend Misha knows shit about Canada, misunderstands what "access" means, and is convinced that millions go untreated. when it is explained to him - that it is not true - instead of "thank you, ma-am" he continues to seek bias and wiggle out of saying okay, it is not as i thought it was. that is ... intellectual dishonesty, i don't need to "win" arguing with some unknown and uninteresting misha, but i am at least able to see where i am right or wrong and admit the latter. he - is not. which is, i am sorry, a hallmark not exactly of an idiot, but of a smallish, stubborn mind.
i am also sorry i wasted my time.

have a nice day.