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Никогда не интересовался этим вопросом, а тут случайно прочитал заметку и засомневался. Почему это у него SSN из CT?

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=339629#ixzz1WbXE5voC

Date: 2011-09-01 02:24 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] spamsink
До 1987 года, чтобы получать налоговую скидку на ребенка, не нужно было указывать SSN, поэтому SSN люди обычно получали самостоятельно в более или менее разумном возрасте, когда устраивались на первую работу или открывали счет в банке.

Date: 2011-09-01 02:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ygam.livejournal.com
Не знал.

Я получил SSN по прибытии в США в 1989 году.

Date: 2011-09-01 03:05 am (UTC)
spamsink: (Default)
From: [personal profile] spamsink
http://www.snopes.com/business/taxes/dependents.asp

Я тоже по прибытии в США в 1993 году, когда их еще давали независимо от статуса.

Date: 2011-09-01 03:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ny-quant.livejournal.com
Obama's number indicates a Connecticut residency, yet there is no evidence he ever lived in the state.

Date: 2011-09-01 03:27 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] spamsink
Номер не обозначает никакой residency, а лишь штат, в котором было подано заявление. Я получал SSN через пару дней после приезда по бизнес-визе ради открытия нормального счета в банке, на который мне нужно было положить деньги. То, что я остался жить в том штате, в котором получил SSN, по большому счету, случайность - с тем же успехом я мог прилететь сначала на недельку в Бостон или Нью-Йорк, и указать в качестве почтового адреса адрес живших там знакомых.

Date: 2011-09-01 11:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ny-quant.livejournal.com
Это весьма особый случай. В норме американцы подают на SSN именно там, где живут.

Date: 2011-09-01 03:31 pm (UTC)
spamsink: (Default)
From: [personal profile] spamsink
До 1987 года не было такой нормы. Подавали, где приспичило.

Date: 2011-09-02 01:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ny-quant.livejournal.com
Ну правильно, но зачем бы человеку приспичило подавать там, где он не живет? Странно это.

Date: 2011-09-01 04:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] southwest
As noted by Wikipedia, the area number portion of a SSN does not (and never did) necessarily correspond to the state in which an applicant was born or resides.

Date: 2011-09-02 01:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ny-quant.livejournal.com
Since 1972, when SSA began assigning SSNs and issuing cards centrally from Baltimore, the area number assigned has been based on the ZIP code in the mailing address provided on the application for the original Social Security card. (http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html)

Т.е. надо было специально указать почтовый адрес из CT, проживая в это время в другом месте. Для чего бы?

Date: 2011-09-02 02:57 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] southwest
Since 1972 - это ключевое слово, видимо Обамчег получил свой нумер раньше

Date: 2011-09-02 03:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ny-quant.livejournal.com
Prior to 1972, cards were issued in local Social Security offices around the country and the Area Number represented the State in which the card was issued. This did not necessarily have to be the State where the applicant lived, since a person could apply for their card in any Social Security office.

Тоже нужно было специально подсуетиться. А зачем бы оно могло понадобиться?

Date: 2011-09-02 03:32 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] southwest
“We invented all kinds of ways to obtain false identity papers, and got busy building multiple sets of ID for each of us and for every contingency,” writes Bill Ayers of his years in the Weather Underground. “We soon figured out that the deepest and most foolproof ID had a government-issued Social Security card at its heart.”

http://www.cashill.com/intellect_fraud/another_look_at_obamas.htm

Here is your answer ;))

Date: 2011-09-03 12:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ny-quant.livejournal.com
Now we are talking.

Date: 2011-09-02 03:38 am (UTC)
southwest: (Default)
From: [personal profile] southwest
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/europeans-illegal-migrants-to-australia/839731/

вот, кстате, читаем "resident Barack Obama's uncle, an illegal immigrant who was arrested in Massachusetts last week for drunken driving, had a valid Social Security number and a Massachusetts driver's license for at least 19 years, it has emerged"

видимо и ему напечатали :))

Date: 2011-09-03 12:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ny-quant.livejournal.com
Вооот!

Date: 2011-09-02 03:41 am (UTC)
southwest: (Default)
From: [personal profile] southwest
ну вот, наконец-то я нашёл правильный отвед:

So how did President Obama get a Social Security number with an Area Number reflecting residence (or mailing address) in Connecticut?

Most likely, this was due to a clerical error. At the time, President Obama was only 15 years old, and lived with his grandparents in an address on Beretania Street. The President’s house in Hawaii was in zip code 96814 and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814. Since the '0' and '9' on a typical typewriter are immediately adjacent (remember, the president's Social Security number was issued in 1977, before the age of computers), it would have been a common error to accidently type a '0' when the ZIP code really began with a '9'. Another possibility is that President Obama, a left-handed 15 year old boy at the time, may have written his own ZIP code in a less-than-fully-legible manner, making the '9' look somewhat like an '0'.

http://www.thefogbow.com/special-reports/social-security-number/

Date: 2011-09-03 12:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ny-quant.livejournal.com
Это, пожалуй, вариант, но и он нуждается еще в каких-то независимых подтверждениях.

Date: 2011-09-01 11:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ny-quant.livejournal.com
snopes is the ultimate arbiter of truth?

Date: 2011-09-01 04:54 pm (UTC)
southwest: (Default)
From: [personal profile] southwest
in this case, I think they have a very good point :)

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